{"id":202001,"date":"2015-07-12T23:16:58","date_gmt":"2015-07-12T22:16:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pressenza.com\/?p=202001"},"modified":"2015-07-12T23:19:41","modified_gmt":"2015-07-12T22:19:41","slug":"la-grecia-e-lunione-europea-in-questo-momento","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pressenza.com\/it\/2015\/07\/la-grecia-e-lunione-europea-in-questo-momento\/","title":{"rendered":"La Grecia e l\u2019Unione Europea in questo momento"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Intervista a Marianella Kloka sul dialogo nella societ\u00e0 civile d\u2019Europa.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>In questo momento cos\u00ec teso com\u2019\u00e8 l\u2019atmosfera in Grecia?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>La gente sta trattenendo il fiato. Stiamo tutti aspettando i risultati dei negoziati, ma la maggioranza, come il referendum della settimana scorsa ha mostrato con chiarezza, non vuole un altro Memorandum con le istituzioni. Nel caso venga firmato e approvato dal Parlamento greco un nuovo accordo vicino all\u2019ultimatum \u00a0di Junker, non credo che la gente collaborer\u00e0 alla sua attuazione.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Il governo greco ha proposto riforme che comprendono misure di austerity. Come viene discusso in Grecia questo nuovo pacchetto dopo il referendum? Quale pensi sia stato il senso di tenere un referendum?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Per me il senso \u00e8 chiaro. La gente ha votato contro altre misure di austerity. Voglio ricordare ai lettori che questo \u00e8 successo dopo un ultimatum da parte delle istituzioni e che il referendum si \u00e8 tenuto in una condizione di ricatto, con le banche chiuse (cosa che continua ancora). Non voglio neanche parlare della posizione dei media mainstream; in molti casi hanno fatto del terrorismo puro. Il risultato \u00e8 stato affidato al Primo Ministro e al nuovo Ministro delle Finanze per negoziare meglio con i nostri creditori. Quella scelta finora \u00e8 una strana strategia, ma prima di parlare voglio aspettare il risultato finale delle trattative.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hai fiducia nella possibilit\u00e0 del governo di tassare le famiglie di oligarchi? <\/strong><strong>Perch\u00e9 non ha preso subito l\u2019iniziativa? Alcuni lo hanno criticato per questo. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Le famiglie di oligarchi sono una parte importante del sistema e non \u00e8 facile indurle a pagare, ma personalmente sostengo questi sforzi come primo segnali che ho visto negli ultimi cinque mesi. Non si pu\u00f2 continuare a dissanguare la classe media e neanche fare politiche che favoriscono il 10% della popolazione. La maggioranza dei ministri non ha mai avuto posizioni di potere, dunque ha l\u2019occasione di incidere in modo positivo nella storia. Io li sosterr\u00f2, tenendo le distanze come membro della societ\u00e0 civile per poterli criticare se le cose dovessero andare in modo diverso.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Le questioni pi\u00f9 importanti sembrano una riforma strutturale del sistema fiscal e pensionistico e il superamento del nepotismo e della corruzione nelle istituzioni. Pensi che il governo di Syriza riuscir\u00e0 ad affrontare questi problemi nei prossimi anni?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ogni precedente tentativo dei due partiti che sono stati al potere, da soli o insieme, \u00e8 fallito. Sono molto corrotti. Vorrei dare a Syriza quattro anni per implementare le sue politiche ed essere in grado di asisterli se le cose andranno bene, o di criticarli se andranno male. \u00a0Come ho gi\u00e0 detto molte volte, le cose non possono essere peggiori di quanto non siano gi\u00e0.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Syriza ha formato una coalizione con un partito di destra per avere una maggioranza. La riluttanza a ridurre le spese militari per esempio \u00e8 stata dovuta a questo. Secondo te quanta influenza hanno gli alleati nelle decisioni del governo? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ANELL, l\u2019alleato di Syriza, ha definito alcune \u201clinee rosse\u201d in cambio dell\u2019appoggio al governo e una di esse purtroppo era costituita dalle spese militari. Durante l\u2019ultima proposta e il suo discorso al Parlamento greco, venerd\u00ec notte, il capo del partito per\u00f2 ha sostenuto una riduzione delle spese militari in termini di armi, ma non di stipendi e pensioni. Personalmente l\u2019immagine di questa coalizione non mi piace per niente. La legge per dare la cittadinanza agli immigrati di seconda generazione \u00e8 passata senza i voti di ANELL e questa \u00e8 una vergogna. Si tratta di una coalizione molto fragile e la storia la giudicher\u00e0. Finora direi che gli accordi iniziali sono stati rispettati. In gennaio avrebbe dovuto apparire un\u2019altra scelta \u00a0per formare un governo di coalizione, ma non \u00e8 successo. Incrociamo le dita sperando che funzioni e che produca meno danni possibile.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I greci sono disposti a fare la loro parte nelle riforme? Puoi parlarci degli ostacoli che questo processo incontra e delle motivazioni della gente?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tre mesi fa il Ministro delle Finanze ha offerto la possibilit\u00e0 a chi aveva dei debiti di dividerli in cento rate. I risultati dei primi due mesi hanno superato le aspettative del ministero in termini di entrate. I greci sono stufi marci dei governi che fingono di voler fare cose in loro favore e poi li opprimono di tasse. Il risultato del referendum \u00a0della settimana scorsa e la misura di rateizzazione dimostrano che questo governo ha trovato il modo di recuperare credibilit\u00e0 e guadagnarsi la fiducia della gente. Speriamo che capiscano bene cosa significa questo in un ambiente devastato.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Quali sono le tue speranze in questo momento, mentre i leader europei sono riuniti?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dopo aver sentito il discorso di Martin Schulz domenica, una volta arrivati i risultati del referendum, dopo la seduta del Parlamento Europeo e la fuga di notizie di ieri sulle \u201cproposte\u201d di Wolfgang Sch\u00e4uble non ho molto aspettative riguardo al \u201ccuore della democrazia europea.\u201d \u00a0Credo che una delle soluzioni migliori sia trovare un modo facile perch\u00e9 la Grecia esca dall\u2019eurozona. Insieme a molti altri, come ha dimostrato il referendum, non sono disposta ad accettare un nuovo Memorandum. Vista la situazione in cui siamo, uscire dall\u2019euro non mi sembra la fine del mondo. Credo che sopravvivremo. E magari in un futuro vicino il nostro esempio sar\u00e0 seguito da altri paesi che lottano contro l\u2019austerity. L\u2019Europa \u00e8 molto pi\u00f9 di una moneta.<\/p>\n<p>Traduzione dall\u2019inglese di Anna Polo<\/p>\n<p><strong>Versione in greco:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u0397 \u0395\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac\u03b4\u03b1 \u03ba\u03b1\u03b9 \u03b7 \u0395\u03c5\u03c1\u03c9\u03c0\u03b1\u03ca\u03ba\u03ae \u0388\u03bd\u03c9\u03c3\u03b7 \u03c4\u03b7 \u03c3\u03b7\u03bc\u03b5\u03c1\u03b9\u03bd\u03ae \u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03b3\u03bc\u03ae<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>\u03a3\u03c5\u03bd\u03ad\u03bd\u03c4\u03b5\u03c5\u03be\u03b7 \u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u039c\u03b1\u03c1\u03b9\u03b1\u03bd\u03ad\u03bb\u03bb\u03b1\u03c2 \u039a\u03bb\u03ce\u03ba\u03b1 \u03c3\u03c4\u03b7\u03bd \u0393\u03b9\u03bf\u03c7\u03ac\u03bd\u03b1 \u03a7\u03ad\u03b2\u03b5\u03bb\u03b9\u03bd\u03b3\u03ba \u03b3\u03b9\u03b1 \u03ad\u03bd\u03b1\u03bd \u03b4\u03b9\u03ac\u03bb\u03bf\u03b3\u03bf \u03bc\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03be\u03cd \u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u03b5\u03bd\u03b5\u03c1\u03b3\u03ae\u03c2 \u03ba\u03bf\u03b9\u03bd\u03c9\u03bd\u03af\u03b1\u03c2 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